Great Oak Common House Solar Hot Water Heater Proposal

We would like to install a 2 collector Solar Water Heater system. The proposed system has been approved for rebate under the "Michigan Solar Domestic Hot Water Rebate" program. Details of the program are found at http://www.urbanoptions.org/. The rebate program obligates us to have the system installed and tested within the next 70 days, so deciding on this proposal is time-critical.

The proposed system to be installed is described at http://www.btfsolar.com/specifications.htm and will be similar to the smaller system installed on Unit 24.

An example of an installed collector is:
Solar collector installation
though the collector shown is mounted on a flat roof like the proposed installation on the Common House's sitting room roof, facing south.

The system will consist of:

The rebate program requires that the collectors be in full sunlight from 10am to 2pm. The trees on the south of the common house will NOT cast a shadow on the collectors if they are placed on the sitting room roof and will not need to be pruned or removed.

The following schematics show the sun exposure at 10am and 2pm on Jun 21st and Dec 21st. None of the shadow of the trees would fall on the collectors if they are placed on the sitting room roof.

The system will be installed by BTFSolar of Fennville, MI (www.btfsolar.com) and warrantied in its entirety for 2 years from the date of install. Individual components have different warranties ranging from 2 years to 40+ years.

Richard Orawiec of BTF Solar has provided some answers to these FAQs:

Q. will the custom frame be installed on top of the shingles? when the roof is
replaced, will the roofers have to work around the collector/frame or can the
collector frame be moved for the roofing?

A. The frame would be moved to replace shingles underneath it.

Q. how heavy is the entire system that goes on the roof, including the custom
framing -- I see that the collector is 122 lbs, but what about the rest?

A. There is nothing else but the collector and the custom mounting adaptor
framing on the roof.

Q. the system has a 2 year warranty correct as required by the rebate
program? does that include fixing roof leaks that might be caused due
to the installation?

A. Yes.  And I have every intention of making sure that there are no leaks.
It is not to my advantage to fix leaks.  The penetration through the roof is
with two 1" holes that are flashed with copper shingle and polyurethane caulk.
I do a lot of roof ventilation work in Kalamazoo and am confident of leak
proofing such small openings.

Q. do you have references in Michigan that we can check with to see
how much they are saving in practice?

A. We have a system at the Michigan Area Renewable Energy Center  in Muskegon
of GVSU.  We donated over $2,000 hardware to them.   Please contact:

David Potter
Electrical and Mechanical  Systems Coordinator  MAREC
tel:  616 331 6903   
fax: 616 331 6910
email pottedav@gvsu.edu
http://www.gvsu.edu/marec
 
The collector and pump stand where installed last October by us.  The
completed installation was done this past spring (?).  They were
supposed to connect to computer software for data logging.  Perhaps
they can give you some info on performance in the worst location in
Michigan for solar applications, that's why we gave them equipment.


(I'm waiting for an email reply from Mr. Potter - Adi)

The entire system installed will cost $6540 minus a state rebate of $2800 as per the bid.
The hope is that the system will provide 20-30% of hot water used during the summer months and 10% during the winter months for an expected savings of up to $200 per year at current natural gas prices. Payback is expected within 20-30 years at worst.

Natural gas usage from DTE billing records, in CCF, for the GO CH:

2004
May 94
Jun 64
Jul 63
Sep 123
Oct 103
Nov 113
2005
Jan 510
Feb 710
Apr 529
May 56
Jul 73
A quick calculation suggests that a 2 collector system can, on average, produce approximately the equivalent hot water as 18 CCF of natural gas per month in the summer and around 6 CCF per month in the winter.

Pros: Cons: Please send feedback via email to talk@gocoho.org or write it on the printed copy that will be on the Common House bulletin board.
R.P. Aditya
Last modified: Mon Jul 18 01:57:03 GMT 2005